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thewayneIt almost got a spit take from me! The Georgia indictments have been announced, the grand jury voted to indict.
From the article: "Trump was charged with 41 counts in total, with 18 others listed as defendants. Rudy Giuliani, John Eastman, Mark Meadows, Ken Chesebro, Jeffrey Clark, Jenna Ellis, Ray Stallings Smith III, Robert Cheeley, Mike Roman, David Shafer, Shawn Micah Tresher Still, Stephen Lee, Harrison Floyd, Trevian Kutti, Sidney Powell, Cathleen Latham, Scott Hall, and Misty Hampton have also been indicted on various charges."
I may be off a little bit, but I think this almost doubles the number of counts he's facing? Regardless, it dramatically increases them.
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-indicted-georgia-steal-election-1234805190/
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From the article: "Trump was charged with 41 counts in total, with 18 others listed as defendants. Rudy Giuliani, John Eastman, Mark Meadows, Ken Chesebro, Jeffrey Clark, Jenna Ellis, Ray Stallings Smith III, Robert Cheeley, Mike Roman, David Shafer, Shawn Micah Tresher Still, Stephen Lee, Harrison Floyd, Trevian Kutti, Sidney Powell, Cathleen Latham, Scott Hall, and Misty Hampton have also been indicted on various charges."
I may be off a little bit, but I think this almost doubles the number of counts he's facing? Regardless, it dramatically increases them.
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-indicted-georgia-steal-election-1234805190/
If Rolling Stone wants you to subscribe, just open a private browser tab and past the URL in there to open it.
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Date: 2023-08-15 07:52 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2023-08-15 09:01 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2023-08-15 11:14 pm (UTC)I hope somebody starts a trial soon.
Or maybe they should wait a little closer to next year.
If he walks from any of them, his minions will feel justified.
And if he doesn't they will go bonkers. :o :o :o
Hugs, Jon
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Date: 2023-08-16 12:27 am (UTC)With the greater pile of charges, it becomes even more important that the trials themselves basically be flawless and pristine in their procedures, selections, and eventual verdict, whatever it may be. Just so that even when the conspiracy theorists are howling their heads off about how things were rigged and they make baseless accusations, the rest of us will believe that the trial went fairly and the result is valid.
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Date: 2023-08-18 08:03 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2023-08-18 05:14 pm (UTC)Poll numbers currently show 52% of Republicans won't vote for him, and that number goes up about 10% if convicted. He still has a rabid base, but it's much smaller than most people think. They're just very loud.
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Date: 2023-08-26 03:47 am (UTC)As far as I know, being convicted does not prevent campaigning (in theory; it is likely to prevent certain campaign activities), and being in prison would not end a campaign run. (It would, hopefully, drastically reduce his votes.) As far as I know, being in prison would not prevent him from being elected...it's just that his chances are currently not great, and substantially less great if he doesn't have access to media contacts or campaign rallies.
He is going to continue running as long as he possibly can - because as long as he's officially a candidate, no matter how unlikely the win, he can collect donations for it. I don't know what could legally stop that but it's not as simple as "found guilty and thrown in jail."
...My fantasies include "Trump has to spend at least an entire weekend in a jail cell." His Secret Service goons can hang out near the cell and prevent anyone from assassinating him; he can sleep on a prison bed.
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Date: 2023-08-26 08:04 am (UTC)They have jail cells in many of the federal buildings in DC, so actually imprisoning him temporarily would not be difficult. And I agree, making him wear standard issue prisoner clothing for a week and live a prison life would be SO utterly worthwhile! And they are researching where he could be held if he does continue to violate bail conditions and needs to be locked up. They could, I suppose, lock him up in Mar-a-laugho - close the club, and seal the doors so he is actually locked inside the building and can't go outside and play golf. I would love to hear about him seething over that! Even better, I want to see video of him being served prison food! Heck, I'd watch that on PPV! There is a couple of interesting things going on right now. My wife told me about a Florida (believe it or not!) attorney who has filed a lawsuit maintaining that he CANNOT run for President because it is in violation of the 14th Amendment. While he has not been convicted of insurrection, which is the main thrust of the amendment, it also has clauses about giving aid and comfort to those who do commit insurrection. And several Proud Boys or others of their ilk have been convicted of insurrection! So technically, he cannot run for POTUS or most any other elected office! It will be very interesting to see how this case develops. I expect his mugshot scowl to get worse. The other thing is his PACs. He solicited funds for these PACs and his election fund based on "the election was fraudulent" lies. If they can prove in court or get him to admit that he knew that his election fraud campaign was bogus, then all of that money - hundreds of millions of dollars - was all raised fraudulently and he is in even more trouble! The biggest mistake he made in his life - and he's made some doozies - was running for and being elected President. Because that put him under a microscope that he'll never be able to escape. If he hadn't done that, he'd've probably been able to continue his little frauds and bank scams for the rest of his rotten life. But his hatred of Obama got the better of him and he had to prove he was the better man, which he failed utterly at and never was to start with. If he were convicted before the election, it could put a bad cramp in his campaigning as they could put travel restrictions on him (can't leave his home except to go to court or supervised doctor visits), or even throw him in jail as a flight risk until sentencing as he does own a 757. And if they do pin fund raising fraud on him, I would expect his personal PAC funds would be immediately frozen and seized, which would put a huge hit in his campaigning activity. All that he would have left is the super PACs, and they are supposedly not allowed to coordinate with the campaigns, though he's also being investigated for violating THAT! The fun never ends with this idiot!
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Date: 2023-08-26 07:39 pm (UTC)I have heard arguments that the 14th amendment bars him from office before, but I hadn't heard it after the Jan 6th convictions, and that does change the context. Previous arguments were about "he's giving US secrets to foreign nationals who hate us" without a sharp line of "this person has been declared an enemy of the US."
But "support to people who were convicted of insurrection" is a whole different legal argument.
Even without a conviction before the election - if they revoke his bail, that will kill his campaigning. But the legal experts are saying that's exceedingly unlikely, even if (when) he violates the terms; it's more likely the cost would go up than putting him under house arrest, much less actual-arrest-in-jail.
...I can still hope for real photos of Lord Dampnut in an orange jumpsuit.
...And that the investigation into PAC fraud will result in the PAC funds being frozen for the duration of the investigation, instead of waiting for everything to be finished. Prosecution could argue that people are being scammed out of money that could otherwise support non-fraudulent candidates.
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Date: 2023-08-26 07:49 pm (UTC)Annoying how all my paragraph breaks varnished into thinner air. The wheels of justice turn slowly, but they can grind exceedingly fine.