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thewayneI'm just going to copy the Slashdot summary, then comment on it: Fast Company ran a contrarian take about AI from entrepreneur/thought leader Faisal Hoque, who argues there's three AI bubbles.
The first is a classic speculative bubble, with asset prices soaring above their fundamental values (like the 17th century's Dutch "tulip mania"). "The chances of this not being a bubble are between slim and none..."
Second, AI is also arguably in what we might call an infrastructure bubble, with huge amounts being invested in infrastructure without any certainty that it will be used at full capacity in the future. This happened multiple times in the later 1800s, as railroad investors built thousands of miles of unneeded track to serve future demand that never materialized. More recently, it happened in the late '90s with the rollout of huge amount of fiber optic cable in anticipation of internet traffic demand that didn't turn up until decades later. Companies are pouring billions into GPUs, power systems, and cooling infrastructure, betting that demand will eventually justify the capacity. McKinsey analysts talk of a $7 trillion "race to scale data centers" for AI, and just eight projects in 2025 already represent commitments of over $1 trillion in AI infrastructure investment. Will this be like the railroad booms and busts of the late 1800s? It is impossible to say with any kind of certainty, but it is not unreasonable to think so.
Third, AI is certainly in a hype bubble, which is where the promise claimed for a new technology exceeds reality, and the discussion around that technology becomes increasingly detached from likely future outcomes. Remember the hype around NFTs? That was a classic hype bubble. And AI has been in a similar moment for a while. All kinds of media — social, print, and web — are filled with AI-related content, while AI boosterism has been the mood music of the corporate world for the last few years. Meanwhile, a recent MIT study reported that 95% of AI pilot projects fail to generate any returns at all.
But the article ultimately argues there's lessons in the 1990s dotcom boom: that "a thing can be hyped beyond its actual capabilities while still being important... When valuations correct — and they will — the same pattern will emerge: companies that focus on solving real problems with available technology will extract value before, during, and after the crash." The winners will be companies with systematic approaches to extracting value — adopting mixed portfolios with different time horizons and risk levels, while recognizing organizational friction points for a purposeful (and holistic) integration.
"The louder the bubble talk, the more space opens for those willing to take a methodical approach to building value."
The first bubble is obvious. Huge amounts of money is being 'invested' in AI/LLMs and the returns have been dubious and amusing, and sometimes lethal. Children and teens taking their own lives, a formerly well-behaved autistic child becoming violent, etc. The valuation of Tesla going up while its sales sales plunge is always an amusing example. The infrastructure bubble is tragic: coal and offline nuclear power plants are being planned to power data centers exclusively for these things, and along with them are their water requirements. And that is a really big problem with increasing climate change. I read an article that I'll post if I can find it that said that each simple AI query is the equivalent of the use of a small bottle of water. The ecological cost is really quite, quite staggering. The eco cost of bitcoin and its kin is trivial compared to this.
The third bubble is interesting. They've demonstrated that LLMs can do some very cool things when tasked into specific purposes and trained in specific bodies of knowledge, like researching new antibiotics or metal alloys with new properties that are needed.
I think the thing that I'm the most curios about is when the corrections/collapses will start taking place. Considering the valuations involved, the financial quake will make the Dot Com crash look like the merest tremor.
The author, Faisal Hoque, is a lot more optimistic about AI than I. He compares its development to such as Amazon and Google during the Dot Com era of the 90s. They had very long-term development timelines ('Moon Shots') that they were quietly pursuing that achieved their long-term survival. And while not all current AI companies are going to achieve those and remain largely in their current form, some may. He talks about Pets.com burning through $300mil before collapsing, which we now see as a trivially small amount of money in today's tech market.
Curious times. We shall see how things shake out.
https://www.fastcompany.com/91400857/there-isnt-an-ai-bubble-there-are-three-ai-bu
https://slashdot.org/story/25/09/20/1847246/there-isnt-an-ai-bubble---there-are-three
The first is a classic speculative bubble, with asset prices soaring above their fundamental values (like the 17th century's Dutch "tulip mania"). "The chances of this not being a bubble are between slim and none..."
Second, AI is also arguably in what we might call an infrastructure bubble, with huge amounts being invested in infrastructure without any certainty that it will be used at full capacity in the future. This happened multiple times in the later 1800s, as railroad investors built thousands of miles of unneeded track to serve future demand that never materialized. More recently, it happened in the late '90s with the rollout of huge amount of fiber optic cable in anticipation of internet traffic demand that didn't turn up until decades later. Companies are pouring billions into GPUs, power systems, and cooling infrastructure, betting that demand will eventually justify the capacity. McKinsey analysts talk of a $7 trillion "race to scale data centers" for AI, and just eight projects in 2025 already represent commitments of over $1 trillion in AI infrastructure investment. Will this be like the railroad booms and busts of the late 1800s? It is impossible to say with any kind of certainty, but it is not unreasonable to think so.
Third, AI is certainly in a hype bubble, which is where the promise claimed for a new technology exceeds reality, and the discussion around that technology becomes increasingly detached from likely future outcomes. Remember the hype around NFTs? That was a classic hype bubble. And AI has been in a similar moment for a while. All kinds of media — social, print, and web — are filled with AI-related content, while AI boosterism has been the mood music of the corporate world for the last few years. Meanwhile, a recent MIT study reported that 95% of AI pilot projects fail to generate any returns at all.
But the article ultimately argues there's lessons in the 1990s dotcom boom: that "a thing can be hyped beyond its actual capabilities while still being important... When valuations correct — and they will — the same pattern will emerge: companies that focus on solving real problems with available technology will extract value before, during, and after the crash." The winners will be companies with systematic approaches to extracting value — adopting mixed portfolios with different time horizons and risk levels, while recognizing organizational friction points for a purposeful (and holistic) integration.
"The louder the bubble talk, the more space opens for those willing to take a methodical approach to building value."
The first bubble is obvious. Huge amounts of money is being 'invested' in AI/LLMs and the returns have been dubious and amusing, and sometimes lethal. Children and teens taking their own lives, a formerly well-behaved autistic child becoming violent, etc. The valuation of Tesla going up while its sales sales plunge is always an amusing example. The infrastructure bubble is tragic: coal and offline nuclear power plants are being planned to power data centers exclusively for these things, and along with them are their water requirements. And that is a really big problem with increasing climate change. I read an article that I'll post if I can find it that said that each simple AI query is the equivalent of the use of a small bottle of water. The ecological cost is really quite, quite staggering. The eco cost of bitcoin and its kin is trivial compared to this.
The third bubble is interesting. They've demonstrated that LLMs can do some very cool things when tasked into specific purposes and trained in specific bodies of knowledge, like researching new antibiotics or metal alloys with new properties that are needed.
I think the thing that I'm the most curios about is when the corrections/collapses will start taking place. Considering the valuations involved, the financial quake will make the Dot Com crash look like the merest tremor.
The author, Faisal Hoque, is a lot more optimistic about AI than I. He compares its development to such as Amazon and Google during the Dot Com era of the 90s. They had very long-term development timelines ('Moon Shots') that they were quietly pursuing that achieved their long-term survival. And while not all current AI companies are going to achieve those and remain largely in their current form, some may. He talks about Pets.com burning through $300mil before collapsing, which we now see as a trivially small amount of money in today's tech market.
Curious times. We shall see how things shake out.
https://www.fastcompany.com/91400857/there-isnt-an-ai-bubble-there-are-three-ai-bu
https://slashdot.org/story/25/09/20/1847246/there-isnt-an-ai-bubble---there-are-three
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Date: 2025-09-22 02:34 am (UTC)For as many years as possible, it will get sucked out by engineers and CTOs and manufacturers, and blown on real-world goods like property, vehicles, and fine dining, or squirreled away somehow, and when there are no more houses of cards to run between because they've all collapsed, we will turn our attention to the industrious winners with their long-term plans.
I've said this before, but I can't remember where. It bears repeating:
The state of the art does not suddenly appear everywhere at once. Instead it advances like the crest of a wave. The wave of advancement always has a very long slope, leading down to the people in the trough who are struggling right now to just to get food and shelter. It rushes around the earth and we like to think the wave only lifts people up, but many people just get churned before it instead. The inequality, the exploitation, the fleecing of the unwary ... that's what we need to pay attention to. Even though - let's face it - it's less interesting.
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Date: 2025-09-22 04:07 am (UTC)I can just picture people barely making it getting sucked in by advertising that they 'must!' buy a new AI-enabled TV. I just saw where Samsung, with their LCD-screen-equipped refrigerators are now going to be pushing ads onto said screens. It is such a shame that with all the tech we have and all the money behind it, all that's going on is the push to ever-increase the money. Almost zero effort to improve the standard of living of the lowest class.
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Date: 2025-09-22 04:47 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2025-09-22 03:51 pm (UTC)Ah, but there's easy financing!
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Date: 2025-09-22 07:46 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2025-09-22 08:00 pm (UTC)Oh, yeah! NEVER in my house! I made sure when I last bought a washer to avoid an internet connection. Apparently it does have WiFi but doesn't require an internet connection to work, so I've never looked into it.