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The question, to paraphrase, was that if Obama or Biden had invaded Venezuela and kidnapped Maduro, that liberals would be fine with it.

The respondent said, in essence, 'Nope, we wouldn't. Because we have a moral compass. You don't.'

And since it's a fairly short response, I'm going to quote most of it whole:
"You lack an internal moral compass. Your sense of right and wrong depends on what the authority you personally submit to says it is.

People without an inner moral compass literally cannot understand what it feels like to have one. Your sense of morality comes from outside authority, so you believe everyone feels that way.

You like Trump, so you think what Trump does is good. You imagine that people who like Obama think that whatever Obama does is good.

Nope.

Overthrowing a sovereign government to take their stuff is wrong. It was wrong when Trump did it, and it would still be wrong if Obama did it. The fact you struggle to imagine that is a you problem, not a liberal problem."


This is an argument that I need to remember if I ever get into a "discussion" with a Trumper.

I also see a lot of Religious Zealot vs Atheist posts on Quora, and several of them devolve into 'You can't have ethics without religion'. While you can define some ethical guidelines from religion, you can also define some really, really twisted ones from religion. I think I'll take my ethics and morality from logic and observation and readings. Yeah, I may be selectively cutting and pasting to make my personal honor code, but so many religions do the same thing that I don't see much of a difference.

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Amongst the flurry of presidential orders that were issued Monday after a weird old felon from Florida was sworn in to allegedly lead the USA for the next four years, was a pardon for all of the people convicted of crimes involved in the infamous January 6 riots. This was a campaign promise, though Vance the Veep had stated that the most violent offenders would not be pardoned. Looks like Vancey was wrong, as they were.

Well, two rioters are refusing the pardon!

One is Jason Riddle of New Hampshire, who - in a direct quote - said that the weird old felon "... can shove it up his ass". He went on to say “I am guilty of the crimes I have committed and accept the consequences", was sentenced to 90 days in prison which he served. He had a problem with alcohol along with an obsession with the weird old guy and is dealing with it. Part of his sentencing was enrolling in an alcohol treatment program, which apparently has helped him a lot.

The second is is the "MAGA Granny", Pamela Hemphill, 71, from Idaho. She says “I’m not going to take it. I gotta do some research on who to contact to refuse it,” and further “The message is, if I took a pardon, that what I did that day was OK,” she said. “They were criminals. They broke the law. I broke the law. Pay the price.”

The Supreme Court decided over 100 years ago that presidential pardons can be refused.

I think it's an extremely noble and brave thing that these two are doing, I'm hoping that others take note and do the same thing. On the other hand, there are others who are posting that they're going out and buying guns, having had to surrender theirs once they were convicted.

The question is, will these two be targeted by the MAGA 'faithful'?

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/capitol-rioters-reject-trumps-pardons_n_67924045e4b0c94316ec6d0a

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