About Roe v. Wade being overturned
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thewayneWhich is likely to happen later this year, with potential follow-on effects possibly endangering mixed race marriage and gay marriage.
Roe v. Wade was decided during the NIXON presidency. That was NINE administrations ago, 1973. I wouldn't be surprised if some of my readers weren't alive then. Ignoring Watergate taking Nixon down, Nixon was a very mixed package and a definite man of his time. He had his race problems, his anti-semitic problems, etc. He also had some amazing positive traits and did some very positive things that went under the radar.
Here's something he said about Roe v. Wade:
"I admit, there are times when abortions are necessary, I know that. When you have a black and a white. Or a rape."
-- President Nixon to aide Charles Colson the day after Roe v. Wade, January 1973
So even Tricky Dick, when Republicans were actual Conservatives and not whatever idiocy is infecting them these days, recognized that "there are times when abortion is necessary", such as rape. If you were to have interviewed him, he might have acknowledged incest, woman's life in danger, etc. Women's rights were becoming a ground swell at that time and weren't much on his radar at that time.
You may or may not know about the web site Quora. Sadly, you can't browse it without signing up. It's a question/answer/rant site where you can ask questions and get answers on a huge variety of topics, sometimes the questions are deliberate trolling, sometimes the answers are thoughtful, sometimes stupid, sometimes equally trolly and ranting.
I came across an amazingly good answer in an Athiest feed. Here's part of it, the rest is under a cut as it's kind of long, with a link to the source at the end.
If you’re an atheist, what would be your motive in spreading atheism, and why would you care what others believe?
If you ask me a week ago, I wouldn’t care less about spreading atheism. In fact, I probably wouldn’t even answer this question at all, considering plenty of atheists had expressed similar feelings. Atheism is often compared to not collecting stamps, which really isn’t something you need to “spread”.
However, something happened this Monday and I had changed my mind about my entire indifference to atheism, or more precisely about my view on Christianity.
I have always seen the religion of Christianity as an organization of great power, and the organization is capable of using it for good and for bad. And despite all the atrocities committed by the Church (Christian or Catholic), I’ve always been willing to give the religion the benefit of doubt. I’ve always been willing to accept that the core teachings, love, tolerance, and compassion, are good. But people twisted its message to justify their evil deeds.
I no longer believe that. I think the core teachings of Christianity are not love, tolerance, or compassion. The core teaching of Christianity is obedience. Christianity as a religion, Christianity as an organization, had done more harm to our society than good, a LOT more harm than good. It’s not about evil people using religion to do harm. It is good people doing good deeds, and some of them just so happen, are Christians.
As I’m writing this answer, the evangelical Christian conservatives had collectively decided that women do not deserve bodily autonomy. They have worked their way up to the supreme court and applied their Christian Canon Law to every woman in the US, regardless of our individual religious beliefs (or the lack of).
Sure, you can argue that American evangelical Christians do not represent Christianity.
My question is, where are the good Christians? WHERE ARE THE FUCKING GOOD CHRISTIANS?! Why don’t the good Christians come out in droves to condemn these people? Why aren’t they protesting against it?
The thing is, if you read the Bible, I mean, really, REALLY read it. you would not be a Christian.
You would not love a God who flooded the world, killing all the people and animals because some people in a small area of the middle east had done some bad shit. You would not love a god who tortured his followers just to win a bid. Afterward, Job got some replacement children and a replacement wife, as if that somehow makes losing his family OK. You would not love a god who let two women be brutally gang-raped because the guest must be protected. You would not love a god who is omniscient and omnipotent and yet let people die in entirely avoidable natural disasters and birth defects. You will not love a God who would condemn people to eternal torment simply because they don’t follow him.
The fact that you’re a Christian, means you either didn’t read the Bible, or you choose to follow a sociopath sky father who lies to you about his love and compassion.
It’s OK. If people want to be in an abusive relationship with a supernatural entity, that’s their choice. before Monday, I didn’t care. But now, I do care about what others believe, because what they believe, now directly impacts me and my freedom.
Roe V. Wade is not the end. It is the beginning.
The same evangelical Christians are going after other rights, same-sex marriage, interracial marriage, women’s right to contraception…
So perhaps we atheists should take a good like at what is happening around us and take a more active role in spreading logical thinking, scientific methods, critical reasoning, and fact-based education. Fewer people believe in this ridiculous sky father who occasionally floods the fucking world, the better off we all would be.
So I have a few “Good Christians” coming over to clear their good name.
You know it’s funny.
When Christians take people’s right’s away, you lot are quiet.
When people condemn Christianity, all you “good Christians” all crawl out of woodwork and telling me how you have helped the poor or you have voted.
You voted.
That’s your fucking civil duty! That’s the fucking bare minimum!
I’m not a fucking Christian and I don’t go around telling people I voted as if I’ve done something extraordinary.
You helped the poor by giving them some cheap food? You sure feel quite superior about yourself, aren’t you? Your god must be very proud. LOL. I would rather your fucked up church pay some taxes and that tax money goes into homeless shelters and low income housing.
If you’re a Christian, please don’t come here and tell me what a good Christian you are.
I don’t fucking care.
And let me, an atheist, remind you of Matthew 6:1-4.
“Beware of practicing your righteousness before other people in order to be seen by them, for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven.
“Thus, when you give to the needy, sound no trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be praised by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you.
https://www.quora.com/If-you-re-an-atheist-what-would-be-your-motive-in-spreading-atheism-and-why-would-you-care-what-others-believe/answer/Feifei-Wang-6?ch=10&oid=354178113&share=ade43807&srid=3tdxI&target_type=answer
Roe v. Wade was decided during the NIXON presidency. That was NINE administrations ago, 1973. I wouldn't be surprised if some of my readers weren't alive then. Ignoring Watergate taking Nixon down, Nixon was a very mixed package and a definite man of his time. He had his race problems, his anti-semitic problems, etc. He also had some amazing positive traits and did some very positive things that went under the radar.
Here's something he said about Roe v. Wade:
"I admit, there are times when abortions are necessary, I know that. When you have a black and a white. Or a rape."
-- President Nixon to aide Charles Colson the day after Roe v. Wade, January 1973
So even Tricky Dick, when Republicans were actual Conservatives and not whatever idiocy is infecting them these days, recognized that "there are times when abortion is necessary", such as rape. If you were to have interviewed him, he might have acknowledged incest, woman's life in danger, etc. Women's rights were becoming a ground swell at that time and weren't much on his radar at that time.
You may or may not know about the web site Quora. Sadly, you can't browse it without signing up. It's a question/answer/rant site where you can ask questions and get answers on a huge variety of topics, sometimes the questions are deliberate trolling, sometimes the answers are thoughtful, sometimes stupid, sometimes equally trolly and ranting.
I came across an amazingly good answer in an Athiest feed. Here's part of it, the rest is under a cut as it's kind of long, with a link to the source at the end.
If you’re an atheist, what would be your motive in spreading atheism, and why would you care what others believe?
If you ask me a week ago, I wouldn’t care less about spreading atheism. In fact, I probably wouldn’t even answer this question at all, considering plenty of atheists had expressed similar feelings. Atheism is often compared to not collecting stamps, which really isn’t something you need to “spread”.
However, something happened this Monday and I had changed my mind about my entire indifference to atheism, or more precisely about my view on Christianity.
I have always seen the religion of Christianity as an organization of great power, and the organization is capable of using it for good and for bad. And despite all the atrocities committed by the Church (Christian or Catholic), I’ve always been willing to give the religion the benefit of doubt. I’ve always been willing to accept that the core teachings, love, tolerance, and compassion, are good. But people twisted its message to justify their evil deeds.
I no longer believe that. I think the core teachings of Christianity are not love, tolerance, or compassion. The core teaching of Christianity is obedience. Christianity as a religion, Christianity as an organization, had done more harm to our society than good, a LOT more harm than good. It’s not about evil people using religion to do harm. It is good people doing good deeds, and some of them just so happen, are Christians.
As I’m writing this answer, the evangelical Christian conservatives had collectively decided that women do not deserve bodily autonomy. They have worked their way up to the supreme court and applied their Christian Canon Law to every woman in the US, regardless of our individual religious beliefs (or the lack of).
Sure, you can argue that American evangelical Christians do not represent Christianity.
My question is, where are the good Christians? WHERE ARE THE FUCKING GOOD CHRISTIANS?! Why don’t the good Christians come out in droves to condemn these people? Why aren’t they protesting against it?
The thing is, if you read the Bible, I mean, really, REALLY read it. you would not be a Christian.
You would not love a God who flooded the world, killing all the people and animals because some people in a small area of the middle east had done some bad shit. You would not love a god who tortured his followers just to win a bid. Afterward, Job got some replacement children and a replacement wife, as if that somehow makes losing his family OK. You would not love a god who let two women be brutally gang-raped because the guest must be protected. You would not love a god who is omniscient and omnipotent and yet let people die in entirely avoidable natural disasters and birth defects. You will not love a God who would condemn people to eternal torment simply because they don’t follow him.
The fact that you’re a Christian, means you either didn’t read the Bible, or you choose to follow a sociopath sky father who lies to you about his love and compassion.
It’s OK. If people want to be in an abusive relationship with a supernatural entity, that’s their choice. before Monday, I didn’t care. But now, I do care about what others believe, because what they believe, now directly impacts me and my freedom.
Roe V. Wade is not the end. It is the beginning.
The same evangelical Christians are going after other rights, same-sex marriage, interracial marriage, women’s right to contraception…
So perhaps we atheists should take a good like at what is happening around us and take a more active role in spreading logical thinking, scientific methods, critical reasoning, and fact-based education. Fewer people believe in this ridiculous sky father who occasionally floods the fucking world, the better off we all would be.
So I have a few “Good Christians” coming over to clear their good name.
You know it’s funny.
When Christians take people’s right’s away, you lot are quiet.
When people condemn Christianity, all you “good Christians” all crawl out of woodwork and telling me how you have helped the poor or you have voted.
You voted.
That’s your fucking civil duty! That’s the fucking bare minimum!
I’m not a fucking Christian and I don’t go around telling people I voted as if I’ve done something extraordinary.
You helped the poor by giving them some cheap food? You sure feel quite superior about yourself, aren’t you? Your god must be very proud. LOL. I would rather your fucked up church pay some taxes and that tax money goes into homeless shelters and low income housing.
If you’re a Christian, please don’t come here and tell me what a good Christian you are.
I don’t fucking care.
And let me, an atheist, remind you of Matthew 6:1-4.
“Beware of practicing your righteousness before other people in order to be seen by them, for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven.
“Thus, when you give to the needy, sound no trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be praised by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you.
https://www.quora.com/If-you-re-an-atheist-what-would-be-your-motive-in-spreading-atheism-and-why-would-you-care-what-others-believe/answer/Feifei-Wang-6?ch=10&oid=354178113&share=ade43807&srid=3tdxI&target_type=answer
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Date: 2022-05-07 06:48 pm (UTC)Yep. I was born in '61, and I had a belt applied to my butt on more than one occasion. And I never made the same mistake twice! At the same time, I wouldn't say it was child abuse because there was never any verbal or any other form of abuse. I screwed up, I was punished, end of story. I knew what I did wrong, and there were consequences. Now, if I had had kids, I wouldn't do it, but I also don't know what I would have done. My sister's first marriage (divorced two or three times, can't remember) was incredibly abusive. First guy was a physical abuser, she was a verbal hothead, so they set each other off really easily. She went to the church elders for advice, and all they offered was the 'woman must be obedient to the man', and she left that church.
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Date: 2022-05-07 07:27 pm (UTC)