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thewayneThe question, to paraphrase, was that if Obama or Biden had invaded Venezuela and kidnapped Maduro, that liberals would be fine with it.
The respondent said, in essence, 'Nope, we wouldn't. Because we have a moral compass. You don't.'
And since it's a fairly short response, I'm going to quote most of it whole:
"You lack an internal moral compass. Your sense of right and wrong depends on what the authority you personally submit to says it is.
People without an inner moral compass literally cannot understand what it feels like to have one. Your sense of morality comes from outside authority, so you believe everyone feels that way.
You like Trump, so you think what Trump does is good. You imagine that people who like Obama think that whatever Obama does is good.
Nope.
Overthrowing a sovereign government to take their stuff is wrong. It was wrong when Trump did it, and it would still be wrong if Obama did it. The fact you struggle to imagine that is a you problem, not a liberal problem."
This is an argument that I need to remember if I ever get into a "discussion" with a Trumper.
I also see a lot of Religious Zealot vs Atheist posts on Quora, and several of them devolve into 'You can't have ethics without religion'. While you can define some ethical guidelines from religion, you can also define some really, really twisted ones from religion. I think I'll take my ethics and morality from logic and observation and readings. Yeah, I may be selectively cutting and pasting to make my personal honor code, but so many religions do the same thing that I don't see much of a difference.
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The respondent said, in essence, 'Nope, we wouldn't. Because we have a moral compass. You don't.'
And since it's a fairly short response, I'm going to quote most of it whole:
"You lack an internal moral compass. Your sense of right and wrong depends on what the authority you personally submit to says it is.
People without an inner moral compass literally cannot understand what it feels like to have one. Your sense of morality comes from outside authority, so you believe everyone feels that way.
You like Trump, so you think what Trump does is good. You imagine that people who like Obama think that whatever Obama does is good.
Nope.
Overthrowing a sovereign government to take their stuff is wrong. It was wrong when Trump did it, and it would still be wrong if Obama did it. The fact you struggle to imagine that is a you problem, not a liberal problem."
This is an argument that I need to remember if I ever get into a "discussion" with a Trumper.
I also see a lot of Religious Zealot vs Atheist posts on Quora, and several of them devolve into 'You can't have ethics without religion'. While you can define some ethical guidelines from religion, you can also define some really, really twisted ones from religion. I think I'll take my ethics and morality from logic and observation and readings. Yeah, I may be selectively cutting and pasting to make my personal honor code, but so many religions do the same thing that I don't see much of a difference.
https://qr.ae/pCZFf8
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Date: 2026-01-11 07:56 am (UTC)But they fundamentally can't conceive of not tying their thoughts and feelings to An Authority Figure.
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Date: 2026-01-13 11:47 pm (UTC)When I run into that my reaction is:
Yeah. She did. And she was STILL RIGHT about the necessity of birth control. Newsflash! Both of these things can still be true. One does not necessarily undo the other.